Hi
thanks for contributing to Bali mapping. I wonder about changing this from secondary to primary, on which basis? I know this road well, it is not a major road and has little traffic. Regards....Werner

The tag "motorroad" makes no sense. In Indonesian, it would be "jalan toll" with no access for bikes and pedestrians. This is not the case.

I wonder on what basis you changed path/steps of way/180712947 to "Residential Road"? If a car or motorbike would try to go that way, it would be a disaster. Please leave the STEPS there.

Thanks Stephane, for coming back to me so quickly. This is the way/580375277. I tagged it as residential road. Living street is a western concept where through traffic is discouraged with certain features - not really found in Indonesia. Often they are alleys, very narrow streets mostly used by motorbikes and pedestrians.

According to Indonesian tagging guidelines, there are no "living streets". This is not a residential road neither, rather a track used by local farmers.

Hi
way/529966228 is not a residential road, it is a dirt path! Many access roads to residential buildings in rural Indonesia can only be used by motorbikes. My advice is to tag them as low as possible unless you know the width, otherwise car users will get stuck!

This does not make sense, a line tagged as a cliff?

Thanks for pointing out KartaView. I have never used this before. If you follow the imagery going south, you see that the concrete track becomes double track & unlikely to be used as through traffic by four-wheel vehicles. And you are right regarding that short residential road. I'll bridge that gap.... Greetings, Werner

Thanks for coming back to me and sorry for the delay on my side. I confirm that the classification now reflects the reality on the ground. A very common problem I encounter with mappers using satellite imagery is that rural tracks used mainly for agriculture but with some settlements are classified "residential". This implies that they can be used by car - which will lead to obvious problems when using auto-routing software. In rural Indonesia the majority of people use motorbikes (scooters) to get around and the road network is accordingly. So I use the tag "track" or "path" if they are too narrow. I know this somehow contradicts OSM wiki "The tag highway=track is used for minor land access roads that are not considered part of the general-purpose road network [1]. Track roads are mostly used for agriculture, forestry, outdoor recreation, and similar activities on open land. Roads used for access to permanent human settlements or facilities should generally not use this tag." Any thoughts?

Greetings from Bali....Bernardo

Hi LakeComo
I cycled down from Luwus today - this is not a unclassified road, this is a rural track, only parts of it is surfaced. I revert back to my original edit - please trust people on the ground!
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Hallo h_p77

die Konvention bei OSM ist, alles einzugeben, was tatsächlich existiert und dann eine Beschränkung wählen, in diesem Fall "no access for bikes". Sonst müsste man ja alles Fusswege löschen, wo MTB verboten ist.

Yes, indeed, the first part of the way is wider, as you said, but no car access is allowed. Residential road implies car access - I believe. Better leave it as a path but indicate it is 3m wide. Once around the first bend, it becomes 2m.

Hi
you should not have changed the classification from path (Indonesian: gang) to residential road. I live here and there is no road access. If someone who added a way based on survey, you should not change the classification based on satellite imagery. I am reverting your changes. Thanks for your understanding.

Hi
This way is part of my mountain bike route. It is very steep and eroded, not paved. Not sure on what basis you upgraded it to unclassified. It would be impossible to use by an ordinary car. I revert to track again.

Hi. I passed this area today on my mountain bike to check out this path. It's very very narrow, only a footpath between rice fields. Bali is full of paths used by motorbikes, therefore it is better to mark these ways as footpaths if not verified on the ground. I come across this kind of situations frequently. Thanks

Hi - I looked at the footpaths today and believe they should not be added to the map. They only provide access to the rice fields - after next harvest, they might disappear. They are not used by the wider public, hardly visible, yes you can walk there but that does not make it a footpath. The maps become very loaded if users start to add their personal cross country routes.The name given "Jalan Kaki" is misleading, they don't have a name, Jalan Kaki means footpath in Indonesian.

Hi - I looked at the footpaths today and believe they should not be added to the map. They only provide access to the rice fields - after next harvest, they might disappear. They are not used by the wider public, hardly visible, yes you can walk there but that does not make it a footpath. The maps become very loaded if users start to add their personal cross country routes.The name given "Jalan Kaki" is misleading, they don't have a name, Jalan Kaki means footpath in Indonesian.

Please ignore my comment, I just learnt that "Relations of type multipolygon are used to represent complex areas with holes inside or consisting of multiple disjoint areas"

When creating a landuse feature, you should use the tool for "area", not a "line".

This should be an administrative boundary (therefore a line) and not a village (area).