I wonder why you changed from path to track. This is less than 2m wide, impossible for a car to pass. I change back to path. I went there today on my bike.

Hi Fitrah

I wonder why you changed from path to track. This is less than 2m wide, impossible for a car to pass. I change back to path. I went there today on my bike.

Thanks for your input. I initiated a discussion regarding "living street", please look at osm.wiki/Talk:Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines. As per Wiki, "A general feature of this a "living street" is, that the legislation either grants pedestrians the right of way over or at equal rights to other road users". This is not the case in Indonesia. Have a look at the sample pictures for living street, they are very different from the "gang" here in Indonesia. "Living streets" have nothing to do with width, but legislation. But look at the sample pictures of an alley, that fits the "gang" so much better. An alley is more defined by width, just like an Indonesian "gang". What do you think? Why don't you join the discussion on osm.wiki/Talk:Indonesian_Tagging_Guidelines?

Thanks for contributing to OSM. The concept of "Living Street" does not exist in Indonesia, where pedestrians have priority to cars. If it is too narrow for cars to pass ("gang" in Indonesia), consider using highway=path, or wide enough for a car, highway=service=alley. Look at the examples here service=alley

Danke Dir für den Hinweis auf das Forum. Sehr interessant die verschiedenen Sichtweisen, und ich traf "alte Bekannte" wie extremcarver wieder. Es gibt wohl keine eindeutige Entscheidung, was die mtb scale auf verbotenen Wegen angeht. Also ich kennzeichne Wege nur dann als verboten, wenn ein eindeutiges Fahrradsverbotsschild zu sehen ist - also nicht bei einem allgemeinen Verbot. Und dann hat die mtb-scale nichts zu suchen, denn mal Hand aufs Herz, sie ist für MTBer gedacht, die das Gebot umgehen, auch wenn es Stimmen im Chat gibt, die das Gegenteil behaupten. In der Zukunft werde ich allerdings davon absehen, und es der local community überlassen. Eine andere Frage: welches Tool benutzt Du, um auf Kartenveränderungen in Deinem Gebiet aufmerksam zu werden? Ich "betreue" sozusagen meinen Hinterhof in Bali und entdecke oft falsche Inputs Monate zu spät. Übrigens wirst Du Dich mit meinem Input in Österreich nicht mehr herumplagen müssen - bin wieder weg!

Jetzt verstehe ich Dein Anliegen. Eine Forststrasse, wo ausdrücklich Fahrräder nicht erlaubt sind, sollte bei Access nur den "tag" bicycle:no anzeigen, für motorisierte Fahrzeuge reicht der "default". Mein tag "designated" war nicht richtig. Zitat Wiki: "highway=track does not imply any particular access=* value. Default access restrictions are country specific and depend on ownership, land use and other factors. If you have local knowledge or can do a survey to obtain ground truth, adding explicit access tags is recommended." Ich werde das in dem Changeset korrigieren. Danke für Deinen Input. Übrigens, es wäre schön und hilfreich, wenn Du unter Deinem "user account" ein wenig über Deine Interesse mit OSM erzählst ("About me").

Gut, designated oder "no" (nicht yes) ist nicht so entscheidend. Ich würde nur Wege als "no bikes" kennzeichnen, wenn das ausdrücklich so ausgeschildert ist. Apps wie z.B. Komoot schliessen sie dann aus bei Auto-Routing. Wenn Du das nicht machst, kann es sein, dass Komoot Dir diese Wege als Option anbieten.

Ja, Forstwege dürfen bei Sondergenehmigung auch mit Fahrzeugen genutzt werden. Hier stand noch dabei, dass es für Fahrräder verboten war. Übrigens - stammsr Du aus dieser Region? Ich war erstaunt, wie viel Wege für Fahrräder gesperrt sind, dies aber nicht bei OSM vermerkt war.

I changed access of different ways based on the signage. In this particular case (Way: 835868100), there was a sign saying "Wanderweg gesperrt" coming from the North, close to the building at Muleriensch 282 - which includes pedestrians. I suspect there has been a landslide or something making it impassible.

Traffic signs disallowing access to all vehicles including bicycles
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way/403780302 This cannot be used by a four-wheel vehicle, this is a path only. Why did you change from path to unclassified road? On what basis? I was there yesterday and cancelled your changes. If in doubt, leave paths as paths, otherwise you might cause problems for people in cars. Thanks

You changed the tag of way/246763924 to RESIDENTIAL ROAD, which I had added as a PATH based on a survey. I am not sure on what basis you did that. Friends of mine tried to go there last Sunday and got stuck in the mud. Paths are PATHS, even in residential areas. Thx

Hi
What are all these nodes without a tag? I deleted many of them, but they are too much.

On which basis did you change the way/549718519 to residential road? I had added it as a path, less than one metre wide, based on survey. This cannot be used by four-wheel vehicles!

On which basis did you change the way/549718519 to track? I had added it as a path, less than one metre wide, based on survey. This cannot be used by four-wheel vehicles!

From the Indonesian tagging guideline: "For alleys that can only be passed by a motorcycle (<1.5 meters) please use highway=path." This is too narrow to call it a Living Street.

way/1038162479 is not a trunk road. No need to add as a tag "motorcycle=yes", everywhere in Bali, motorcycles are allowed where cars can go.

Thanks

Hi Martin
I just saw your profile on OSM and I am happy to communicate with an enthusiastic mapper. I live here in Bali and map everything I can reach with my bicycle. I saw your tag of way/797929980 as "Living Street". It's actually too narrow for four-wheel vehicles and should be a path instead. In Indonesian, it's a "Gang", ok for motorbikes or pedestrians. I know that "Living Street" is in the Indonesian tagging guidelines, but it should be changed, because for a living street, you need a legal framework which prioritizes pedestrians before vehicles. What in Indonesia is called "gang", is either an "alley way" if it is wide enough for cars, or a "path". What do you think? In the meantime, allow me to reclassify way/797929980. Best wishes, Werner

These narrow ways to access residential areas are either "alley ways" or "paths" when they are only used by motorbikes and pedestrians. The name in Indonesian is "gang". There is no legal framework for "living street" how we know it in the West.

Thanks for coming back to me. Your suggestion makes sense. Two of these ways are part of the road network from the touristic centres in the South to the volcano Batur in the North, and therefore well travelled. I will make those changes if you don't mind.