Just an addition: I can see that the editor only showed this as an entrance not a shop & address node, so obvious how you missed it. It took me a while to find it.

J

Hi,

Many thanks for doing these surveys along Derby Road. I've modified the Tattershalls building as the old Craft studio was still showing (there's a mix of mapping addresses & shops on the door & on the building here, which is a bit confusing).

BTW: I believe Windblowers has also closed or is closing & that the Hand & Heart is not open currently. If you have any info on either let me know.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

I think you need to be careful to distinguish permissive from tolerated.

A landowner might not be fussed if the odd bike goes this way (it might even be them or their kids after all), but we know from a lot of experience on OSM, that if traffic goes beyond a certain level then toleration ceases. This was very common during the early months of Covid when many more people were walking and cycling and suddenly there were influxes on private land which hadn't been a noticeable influx before.

Adding yes or permissive will mean that routers will use it (Komoot, Strava, RideWithGPS etc.) and they're bad enough at understanding E&W PRoW access anyway!

Building heights in this changeset appear to be in feet not metres. A value of height without units defaults to metres.

Hi Risteárd,

Is the cycleway mapped crossing Vaughan Way outside Highcross accurate now? Looks inconsistent with aerial imagery. I haven't been this way since all the construction started, so am out-of-date.

Jerry aka SK53

Hi,

I'll take a closer look later tonight. The online editor does slightly odd things if you try & rearrange areas which are meant to avoid bigger issues, but can be pretty puzzling at first impressions.

SK53

Hi Simon,

Thanks.

You can see a fair bit of footpath/PRoW mapping done some years ago around Gringley on the Hill. Three of us met up there and covered areas to the N, SW, S and SE. This link (https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15&lat=54.209&lon=-1.23322) shows another OSM-based map which aims to be more useful for UK-based walkers (showing designation tags, etc). Lancaster Road S of Gringley is a good example of a farm track which is only designated as a public footpath. Similarly there are a network of tracks which are designated as bridleways on the Everton Carrs.

Cheers,

Jerry

If you have added the designation tag, you can keep it as a track (i.e., obvious signs of vehicles using it), and just use the highway=bridleway for public bridleways which aren't used by vehicles (provided there is enough headroom for a rider : I'm sure some public bridleways are not practicable for horses). Keeping the two separate is useful for understanding the character of the way.

HTH,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Jay,

You marked Fairham Drive as having a width of 5.25 m. I think all the roads in the interwar council estates are actually 13ft or 4m (at least that's what I make measuring them both in iD & on old maps on the NCC site).

Jerry

Reverted in changeset/125242625

I dont know if you can remember if way/24016687 looked like a track? It does on aerial images, but I merely drove past last time I surveyed in Kneeton.

I plan to change the first bit to track for now.

Jerry aka SK53

I dont think this is the way you intended to edit!

Hi,

I'm trying to understand what the climbing:grade;uiaa grades represent as I would have expected them to be in latin rather than arabic numerals.

Can you explain at all?

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Keith,

I added the main path into Cwm Glas Mawr in 2010 (changeset/5850064#) when I used highway=footway. At that time IIRC there was some discrepancy about usage of footway or path and different people used either tag. I fact I can see that I used both in the area over a short time of editing in 2010.

However it was found relatively quickly that, despite it's popularity, there are significant problems with highway=path. The most notable is that access rights are utterly obscure, summarised by Richard Fairhurst (author of a previous web-editor, creator of cycle.travel) here: @Richard/diary/20333. I just checked these paths with Komoot & currently it quite happily routes a touring bike up Cwm Glas and an MTB along Crib Goch! I suspect these ways need access tags.

Effectively path works but requires much more work by the mapper to capture details of access, surface etc. The footway/cycleway/bridleway requires much less basic info both for mappers & data consumers.

Unfortunately we never resolved the 2 approaches in the UK, although everyone I know who maps lots of public rights of way tends to use footway etc.. One useful source of info on access tags & so forth is the National Trust page, as this is based on both considered work and a lot of consensus from OSM mappers.

Sorry I can't give you chapter & verse, my last attempt to clarify things didn't meet with approval in some quarters.

tl;dr at a minimum add foot=yes & bicycle=no to these footpaths.

Jerry aka SK53

Please do not do this. highway=path on its own does not provide any information about who can use it or suitability If you do want to do this at a minimum add foot=yes and bicycle=no when you change from highway=footpath to highway=path.

Jez - thanks
redd - I think you can fix things which are obvious typos without needing to contact people. In this case I clearly was trying to square the building whilst focus was in the tag field (and possibly then added a couple of Josm shortcut keys as well!)

Thanks for picking it up. I add the "x" which then allows me to divide a way in iD without it creating a relation. I should of course remove the "x" now, which I did do on the other half. As the building & the panel dont coincide it needs editing anyway.

You can see it on Waymarked Trails: https://riding.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=14445709.

I've now created the Pegasus Trail relation, so that you can just add new sections to the relation. Scroll down to the relations section in the LH panel, and search for it (or use the number). It's easier to search if you add adjacent sections (the editor automatically gives a selection of nearby relations).

J

Hi,

Yes, highway=bridleway is fine in the UK. You do need to join the ends to the roads/paths it connects to, normally the editor should glue them if they are close enough. The colour of the point changes from white to a greyish colour. I've done this for you this time (changeset/124721392) as it may help to have a concrete example.

If this is a public bridleway I would also add designation=public_bridleway (you have to scroll down in the edit panel to find "All tags", add a new tag and the entries should autocomplete).

One other thing is that it is worth mapping gates, horse stiles etc. along the path if you have collected such data. There looks to be something at the S end of this stretch.

The other thing is that a long distance trail is normally mapped as a relation, but this may be much too complex for a newcomer. The ref is fine as a starting point, but as you add more links it will be necessary to learn about relations.

Best wishes,

Jerry aka SK53