Hi,

I've now added the Lidl building, so the position of cycle infra you added may need tweaking.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

The flush bracket is on the metal plaque low down on the pillar, so the elevation is not of the top of the pillar. Most elevations on maps in the past 30 years are probably not derived from the triangulation done using trig points anyway, so the issue is fairly moot.

A general rule of thumb is that if a thing has been mapped in a particular way for a long time then that is the consensus across a body of mappers. This is particularly true for somewhere like Whernside or Roseberry Topping where it is likely a *lot* of mappers have visited. It's usually best to respect that consensus even if one differs in opinion.

Jerry aka SK53

When the trigpoint is located at the summit they are the logically the same object. The spot height on the OS maps will be that of the flush bracket on the pillar, rather at ground level.

OSM keys were deliberately designed to allow for objects which are simultaneously two things at once (pubs with accommodation, convenience store with a post office, etc., memorial trees). Over time some get separated (often when something mapped as a node gets remapped as an area), but this is a feature not a bug. IIRC Snowdon's summit point is a trig point and an orientation table (tourism=viewpoint). One consequence of this is that one should never rely overmuch on the usual meaning of a word in English (I'm always a bit frustrated about tourism=hotel, because about 80% of my hotel stays have been work-related).

I guess you made the Whernside alteration too, but offset the trig point from it's actual location, rather than ensuring it was co-located with the peak tag.

I appreciate that the iD editor may emphasise one over the other, but that should be addressed on the iD github page, not by changing the data.

It's not just the UK where physical trig stations coincide with summits: I can think of several in Switzerland.

You are confusing the administrative division of Barnstable with the place within it. There are already admin relations for the "Town of Barnstable" with city type goverment (relation/2387624) and the actual Barnstable which is on Highway 6A (relation/9529611).

Far better to use the Hyannis node as admin_centre in the relation than move the node which refers to an actual place rather than an administrative entity.

I have never referred to the location you wish Barnstable to located as anything other than Hyannis. Just checked a receipt "990 Iyannough Road *Hyannis* MA 02601", same thing.

Moving Barnstable node will break lots of applications relying on geocoding.

I have reverted this changeset as it is entirely incorrect. The locations & status of Barnstable & Hyannis have remained stable on OSM since around 2007: I'd be really surprised if you know better than everyone who has used it, or edited in the area over the past 15 years.

Reversion changeset: node/158843349.

I wouldn't call the pillars around Lincoln Cathedral chapter house building=pylon, these are flying buttresses, and I think should be called such. Nor are they buildings, they are building:part belonging to the chapter house.

Toilet block, Shower block, Washroom block are pretty standard descriptions for distinct buildings for these purposes (e.g., in campsites, schools, military barracks etc) and I think other forms will always have "block" as part of the name. I must have tagged it this way because that is how I would give people navigation instructions in this village), but I don't see any great difference from building=toilets.

Perhaps add a description to the effect "Toilet Block".

Jerry

Hi lyctkel,

Bungalow is nothing close: a bungalow in UK parlance is typically a single storey detached or semi-detached house, with a variant with rooms in the roof space known as chalet bungalows. They are not any form of temporary accommodation. However not all levels=1 buildings are bungalows. Some towns in the UK are predominantly bungalows (e.g., Southend-on-Sea) and in rural Scotland & Ireland many/most buildings will be bungalows.

Wikipedia has an entry for portable classroom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_classroom), which may be provide the basis for a more explicit tag. The other phrase used a lot is "modular building".

Note that these are quite common on UK school sites, as were formerly various prefabricated buildings (most early post-WWII and now mainly gone). I have, however, mapped one which is still in use as a chapel in the grounds of Nottingham City Hospital (way/208973414).

There are quite good resources on post-WWII pre-fabricated houses (and I've tagged a few types around Nottingham), but it's hard to find anything about equivalent prefabs for institutions (schools, universities & hospitals), and later ones such as these. I spent 2.5 years at school in such buildings & had lessons in others right through my school life. University had another couple of groups & I consulted with one hospital which had lots (even in the early '90s). Nowadays post-WW2 prefabs (residential & industrial) are largely heritage objects (https://www.prefabmuseum.uk/) and some are listed buildings, so definitely worth having suitable tags.

Jerry

Hi,

I've updated the tags on the "gasometer". Really helpful to know it was gas pipeline. Should show up on OpenInfraMap if I've got them right.

If by chance you see pipeline markers along roadsides & fields they can be mapped too (this seems currently favoured tag marker=*). They are useful for working out where pipelines run.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi,

Yes, I think that would be fine, although it may lose a bit of nuance (hostels in UK English may be for other purposes than tourism: students, nurses, workers etc). I wanted to capture that this was purpose built by the YHA and consequently rather unusual.

Jerry

Hi,

I've done some updates on Maes Famau (Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd), still needs a bit of tidying. What is odd is that the latest Bing imagery doesn't appear in iD.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

Wow, just spotted these. Impressive progress on solar in Northern Ireland!

@Millhouse: they have been at times, but: a) tagging is unclear, they're not really admin divisions for instance; b) it's easier to use the OS file direct for most purposes; c) they're difficult to verify on-the-ground; d) not of much interest to many. I think even polling stations are relatively poorly mapped & they are definitely useful, but also awkward things.

Indeed, as someone who lived for some years in the current Hanworth (Village) ward, much of the Hanworth Park ward includes areas which I would have said are in Feltham (the military/industrial areas N of the park).

@Millhouse: actually ward boundaries & MSOA & LSOA are all available as open data. Ward boundaries are in the OSGB Boundary Line download. MSOA & LSOA from ONS IIRC. Wards although named after local areas, often only loosely correspond with them & change with every boundary review so aren't particularly good representations of how people think about an area (plus sometimes they have made-up names, although I think that's been deprecated).

Please avoid making these changes which do not reflect the standing UK consensus for place names. We use place=suburb for locations like Cranford

Hi BorekSigar,

The OSM Community has been quite happy with the Hounslow node as a town for the past 15 years. Before making changes like this it is best to consider that perhaps a consensus exists as to the tagging. Greater London contains many towns which existed long before the expansion of the urban area. These are all recognised locally as towns.

Personally, I think you have confused Hounslow, the settlement, with The London Borough of Hounslow which is a local government district far larger than Hounslow itself including places such as Feltham and Brentford. The London Borough is mapped separately already.

Either way this is too large a divergence from a long established consensus to be allowed to stand. I am reverting this to the status quo ante.

If you feel that other places should be changed can you discuss this on talk-gb first.

Regards,

Jerry

Hi Mark,

It looks like Casey Boy has already changed it to permissive (way/893627652#map=19/53.66967/-2.29298). Probably an advantage of sharing these discussions, as someone else interested in accurate mapping of paths will pick it up.

Jerry

In this changeset you added a service road (way/824880656) between Pettingale Road & Llanthewy Close. A more detailed look showed that the connection at Llanthewy Close was a private driveway. In addition this type of alley service road is very unusual in post-WWII estates.

Can I ask if this addition was based on driver feedback? If not I will remove it because I dont think it is a road.

Jerry

Specifically this house (& the one next door) way/243536822. Also this one in Cambridge way/172026862 (which I know because I've been there, not because I've surveyed it).