Hi,

Search for some of these terms on the wiki:

* for road width: width or minwidth for the narrowest section. If you make the measurement option available one can now make reasonable measurements on the aerial imagery (or if you feel particularly enthusiastic a tape measure in the field!). In general I'd assume a lanes=1 road was about 4-5 m wide as a default. I believe SomoneElse's rendering shows very narrow roads (https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15&lat=54.209&lon=-1.23322) as well as more detail in rural areas
* traffic density is not really something we can map as it changes over the day and over time (I think there was some effort to map signed quiet ways in the past though). For busy roads there is DoT survey data which people have merged with OSM data when building cycle routers
* surface=asphalt or paved for regular roads
* smoothness : rather subjective, but in use
* tracktype: as the name implies this is for tracks & some service roads, but can be applicable on some very minor public roads (e.g., those with grass growing in the centre)
* giveway signs help establish the road priority even on a network of minor roads so may help (supported in the editor)
* verge (works like the sidewalk tag) to say whether there are (flat) verges on either side of the road (v. useful for walkers if a road is narrow)

Although as Bernard says absence of road markings may not have a well-established tag, it is something which is repeatably observable & I'd say perfectly reasonable to add to OSM.

I think it's an interesting project & probably useful to have one area where someone has approached this systematically.

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Robert,

This edit has alerted me to something I wish I'd been at aware of before in that NSI splits the other Tesco formats/concepts as distinct brands. This was certainly not my original intent when I created the UK retail chains page. The idea was to use a single brand across all properties of the major supermarkets as they created distinct formats. Perhaps not so important for Tesco but certainly for M&S and Co-ops.

I think Geolytix also made a distinction between brand and format in their open retail data. It's certainly how the industry used to talk when I worked in it (although the precise term for "format" may have varied a bit).

Certainly this makes things more consistent, but a bit less useful. Sorry, for potentially crying over spilt milk.

Jerry

Hi,

I dont believe what you have added is a primary link. It really does not reflect what is on the ground. The main road goes from 2 to 3 lanes & the LH lane is a turning lane on to St Peter's St, not a distinct carriageway. It is also controlled by the same set of lights as the main road & you failed to adjust the geometry of the cycle route to interconnect.

Thanks,

Are you sure Ropewalk House has 4 levels? I counted 5 today (3 regular ones & 2 basements).

Thanks for updating this.

Jerry

Hi Jay,

I had wondered why you had made such a specific edit away from your usual haunts. Good luck.

As I walk past twice a day I definitely know that furniture has been removed (also by peeking in at the windows). Much of the removal seemed to be done by staff in hired vans rather than by a professional firm, so had assumed it was a local move. I'll have another shufti this morning: there is another firm named on notices on the front door.

The building was specifically built for Romax, so I imagine they still hold the lease, but whether they'll re-open here or in Ruddington remains to be seen.

Jerry

Hi Jay,

I suspect this might be a bit premature. As far as I know the building is now vacant. Romax have relocated to Ruddington (https://romaxtech.com/events-and-resources/news/romax-move-into-new-uk-headquarters/)
Most office furniture and the picnic tables at the back have been removed. No signage relates to Onyx either.

Jerry

Havent really untangled the two minor power lines heading NNE from substation outside Blaenporth

When I did the Fora da l'Aua path a long time ago (2003) there was a rope or chain on the upper 'grassy' part before reaching the rocks. Is it still there? (In which case it is not mapped).

Please can you not tag tertiary roads with the ref tag: doing so causes endless confusion for people using OSM-based satnavs who will never see signage for them. The consensus of the UK community is to use admin_ref for internal highway authority references such as these C-road numbers.

I haven't looked in detail at which roads you have moved to tertiary, but internal HA references are not necessarily a good guide to what fellow mappers may see on the ground. For instance it's inconsistent to have Boyn Hill Road as tertiary and not All Saints Avenue (a consensus held over 16 years that these were just broad residential roads).

Also FOI requests are not necessarily admissable info in OpenStreetMap (they do not imply a copyright waiver).

Regards,

Jerry

I'm reverting these changes, not because they are wrong, but because safely merging the older values of name tags with the changes you made is altogether too complex in a single operation. I don't have time to review all these objects right now, but will endeavour to do so over the next 3-4 days.

Sorry about this, but it's important to consider that OSM data has many uses.

This is the changeset changeset/101266567

Jerry

Hi,

When altering names in the Gaeltacht can you please take care to move any existing ("english") name into "name:en". It is no longer possible to search for things like Great Blasket Island: many folk without good knowledge of the Gaelic will not know it by the current name. So someone interested in looking at places mentioned in something like "20 Years a Growing" will not be able to now.

These changes became apparent from someone using the "english" names for genealogy purposes, when most historical census data uses such names.

Regards,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi & Welcome to OSM,

Rotheras were already mapped as Rotheras Dowson on the entrance to the building (node/1776844102) and it looks as if this over 3 & 4 Kayes Walk rather than number 2.

I plan to merge your information into the existing object (which we like to do as often the older names are useful for checking data QA).

One other little bit of advice is if opening hours havent changed due to covid just leave the covid opening hours blank. If they have changed do enter the actual hours: "same" will not be picked up apps which read these strings.

Regards,

Jerry aka SK53

I'd like to second EdLoach here: only use multipolygons when necessary (holes or greater than several hundred nodes). They are very confusing for inexperienced mappers, easy to break (as seen here), and don't save space. Much better to share nodes between ways: particularly as you are using Potlatch as one can follow a way using the "F" key.

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Kirsty,

Then it's completely fine: I should have thought of that as a possibility, although since Brexit I'm not sure how they work. (With another hat on, I'm interested in things botanical, so equally keen that they don't get damaged).

I'll add private to the track on the other side of the fields.

By all means contact me if any other issues arise (SK53 dot osm at gmail ).

Best wishes,

Jerry

Hi & Welcome to OpenStreetMap,

Obviously you are experiencing some problems with people accessing your land. Unfortunately some applications based on OSM assume default access on tracks based on what applies in other countries.

In practice deleting a track may not achieve the desired result: if it is clearly visible someone will add it back at some point. Instead we normally advise people just to set the access to private which apps generally respect (apps from UK-based providers assume this unless some other access is provided).

In your case the track is not obviously visible on current aerial imagery (or at best is hard to distinguish from ploughing tram lines), so I will not restore it. However, if it is well obvious on the ground now, I would advise restoring it & setting access to private (I can do this for you if that is the case).

We local (Nottingham area) mappers are keen that access to tracks & paths in the countryside is accurate on OSM: it helps everyone - walkers, cyclists, farmers & other landowners. Even large logistics companies (notably Amazon) are now adding service roads accessing farms and other isolated houses for deliveries.

Yours,

Jerry aka SK53

Mainly because I'm not familiar with what are usable sources in Oz. We're lucky in the UK because the govt publishes details of all solar farms with power.

The old provisional 1:25k maps shows a spot height of 1092 ft (which translates to 333 m more or less) a little way to the N (about 200 m) https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=54.24600&lon=-3.13551&layers=10&b=7. The same point is marked by a triangle on the earlier 25 inch which if I read the legend properly means a triangulation station (way before trig points of course). Of course that doesn't mean it was the summit, it may have been chosen to have better views to the N & W given the flat nature of the top. Peakbagger gives the Grey Crags top as 1096 ft (and looks to have been properly surveyed too) http://www.hill-bagging.co.uk/mountaindetails.php?qu=S&rf=2668. So this indeed answers my original query!

Infuriatingly there is not a spot height for the top of the fell. I was hoping that would settle things.

Yes, looking at even new OS maps the names look as if they need work (Goffa Crag Scar but Goffa Cragg). Probably names have just been perpetuated from earlier mapping. This is known elsewhere, in which case local knowledge such as yours is more valuable. I used to stay at Woodgate long ago, but haven't been in the area since the first wind farms appeared on the hills: I remember driving over from Coniston to have a look at them.

Is this the same cairn (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3378829)? I'm looking to see if there is an open data source for a spot height.

Perhaps the best way forward would be to add alt_name=Kirby Moor (or swap this with Gray Crags). People using hill guides will be looking for that name, so even if not truly the name of the summit it does reflect some usage).

OSM often picks out these conundrums & they often lead down a rabbit hole of research. (For example I've just discovered that part of these moors jointly belonged to Lowick & Subberthwaite parishes https://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/unit/10369460/boundary.