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171467659

@arichnad I have access to the same heatmap data, and it's why I’ve suggested a few times now that basing edits on headmap data in this way ends up not being helpful.

this is a well established and popular trail, that has been closed due to a dangerous bridge.

there are gates on either end of the trail (which i added to OSM after seeing them in person.) with explanation that the trail is closed due to safety issues.

the published information on its status is old, so I reached out to the responsible org for an update today… but this closure, even if people ignore it (which i myself did a single time) is to keep someone from getting seriously injured or killed from stepping on this particular bridge.

I’m begging you to stop making edits just based on heatmap data. Please.

171467659

@arichnad I wish I saw this sooner, the gates at either end of More Fun are still tagged as access=no. If the main section is open, we can update the access on those gates. Do we know if the gates are still there or were they removed to formerly open the trail?

169374802

This changeset seems to have removed foot access along Rt40/Balitmore National Pike when it is indeed permitted. Though a primary-road, it is not a controlled-acesss highway. See https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/mgawebsite/Laws/StatuteText?article=gtr&section=21-509 for context.

176864991

I went through here Aug 2024 and don't remember having much issue navigating. The trace is here @Nater%20Kane/traces/12175290

55201473

@RoadGeek_MD99 what did you mean with the "fix me: location" tag?

171330410

When did these sections get closed? Was this decided or derived/discovered? I audited the entirety of this park earlier in 2025 and there hadn't been any closures or abandoned sections that I had come across.

168068473

you can also always add a "Fix Me" tag to anything on here that you may find questionable or suspect.

168068473

I completely appreciate the frustration, and the quality issues of strava's routing feature is a whole other thing... in this park for example, unless a trails is explicitly marked as foot traffic only, all trails are understood to be accessible to foot, bicycle, and horse. Trail visibility, or mtb:scale can better inform on what to expect for a given section.

As far as fords are concerned, water levels change, rocks move or get moved around, etc.

I've done my share of hike-a-bike in patapsco when goofing around on a gravel bike a few years ago.

Why one of the ways was marked skateboard=yes, that needs/needed to be cleand up.

I hope this clears things up for you.

168068473

the two deleted fords, for example, i have crossed within the last year.

168068473

there is definitely a trail here, it just may not be visible at the moment due to overgrowth or some other maintenance issue. i'd update the trail visibility, not delete a section that may be visible or passable during a different time of year.

165095601

So creating a different problem by trying to solve the first problem isn't really a solution to the first problem then is it?

These mass reversions are vandalizing the history/changesets for everyone who's made legitimate updates across close to half of the entire planet.

164840873

@Spalt, it's standing height, dry, and has been used since it was built in the 90's to get to the other side of the highway and to the park. Depending on time of year, the track to the west of Rt 100 is more or less visible.

165095601

+1 to @Maplev's comment from yesterday.
These reversions make it impossible to example the history of an area that I'm working on. So when edits I make disappear it's functionally anonymous and horrible for everyone else.

159469294

@ElliottPlack thanks for bringing this to my attention, I'll see what happened.