Ok, I will try to fix the boundary. There is some data from the USGS with park boundaries that we are allowed to use... I just have to find it...

The problem with trying to map Oak Flat Campground from overhead imagery is that the tree canopy is too dense in most cases to actually see the roads. Strava and OSM GPX traces are only things we have (the park map cannot be counted on to be spatially accurate, its creator may have taken artistic license to make the map more readable/useful for general park visitors )

Hi! Welcome to OpenStreetMap, it is great to have you as part of our community!

A couple of things. You need to cite your source. I know there is a new trail there (I live a few miles away), but you should let us all know how you know the trail goes exactly there, perhaps a GPS track from when you hiked it? If you do have a GPS track, perhaps you could also upload it. You mentioned Bing Imagery, but that trail does not show up in Bing as it is too new.

A trail already exists for part of the way where you drew the new trail, no need to draw it a second time. I see it is tagged as construction. You can just change that tagging, and snap your trail to it where they join.

Let me know if you have any questions. Again, I am local so I know a little bit about the area.

Mike
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Hello again,

Sorry to keep bothering you, but I just noticed this.

What was your source for saying the following were fords?
node/8933673417
node/8933673418

https://www.parks.ca.gov/pages/422/files/richardson_grove.pdf
Shows them as bridges.

If one is not sure, it is better to leave the error (crossing waterway / highway) for someone else to research and fix.

By the way, I am not sure of the scope of your effort, but Richardson Grove State Park actually has two boundaries in OSM. The tagging should be merged and one deleted (probably the smaller one as I suspect the park has been expanded over the years, but double check your sources).

Also, on this specific changeset, the southern most road of this camp ground is probably actually a little to the north based on the Strava Global Heatmap.

Finally, I did realign some of the trails to the Strava Global Heatmap - just FYI. I am not trying to step on anyone's toes, I was just in the area (virtually), and couldn't help myself. :-)
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Thanks for the fixes!

You are not the first to have this problem with duplicate ways/nodes created with iD using a less than ideal internet connection. Not your fault - but it did need to be fixed.

You may be constrained by what Mapbox will allow you to do, but I would suggest taking a look at JOSM. It is much more powerful, and I don't think that it will suffer from these problems.

Nice work! Thanks for the edits.

One little thing, road/highway numbers are not names, and they belong in the ref tag. For forest service roads and trails we us FS ###. I made some changes
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Thanks for your reply!

Good idea to compare the stated distances with the mapped distances.
1) I would not assume that the information in the brochure is super precise. It is only meant to give casual park visitors an idea of how big of a hike/walk they are going to have.
2) Distances might be measured from the visitor's center parking lot.
3) OSM is probably missing a lot of trail detail (switchbacks, turns, etc.) that would add a little more distance. This is ok, maps are not supposed to be an exact copy of reality, only a representation. You could align the trails to the Strava Heatmap and get a little more detail.

Yes, not sure where Durphy Creek ends and Tan Oak Springs begins. It is possible that nobody knows, even the park rangers. I would use your best judgement and then leave a note and/or fixme tag.

The tag you should use for those yellow advisory limits is:
maxspeed:advisory=*

But... you still need to cite your sources!

Hi, thanks for the edits. Is there anyway you could restrict the geographic extent of your changesets? This one covers much of the northern half of the Earth. Large changesets make them difficult to review.
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Hi, welcome to OpenStreetMap, and thanks for your edits. A couple of things:
1) We like to see the geographic extent of a given changeset to be as small as possible. For example, the size of a few neighborhoods, this changeset spans a large part of the world. Having changesets with a small geographic extent makes them easier to review.
2) We like to see buildings that have right angled (90 degree) corners in the real world, have such on the map. In the iD editor carefully draw the building, and then click the square icon on the context menu, if nothing happens, the building you drew was not close enough to having square corners to begin with, adjust and try again.

There is actually a speed limit sign on Springfield Drive stating "25 MPH" (you tagged as 15). There is also a yellow sign stating 15 MPH (below the warning sign that speed bumps are ahead), but these yellow signs are advisory only.
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So the Spring Creek Trail is a cycleway, but the little bits that connect it to Centre Ave are not? But the little bits that connect that same trail to South Shields Street are cycleways?
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Sources cited do not support changes made, e.g. maxspeed
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Thanks for the edits to our protected areas! A couple of minor comments:

Regarding relation/12998781 and distance=1.7 miles, the unit abbreviation for miles, is mi, per
osm.wiki/Map_features/Units

I interpret the source you cite to mean that
way/965982765
is part of the Lookout Springs Trail and not the Durphy Creek Trail. The same applies to way/965982764

way/965982765 should probably be added to the relation for Lookout Point Trail

According the the source you cite, the southern part of this way/496390666 is the Tan Oak Springs Trail (I realize that someone else originally entered this trail, but while you are working on the area, might want to fix).
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Greg, I am with you 100% on the "map what's there" philosophy. The other day someone deleted the Fire Trail in RMNP, I guess because now that it is in OSM, and therefore All Trails, it is getting too much use by the public? I restored it. NPS is even missing some official trails - trails that exist and have official signs! Other trails are mislocated by 100s of feet. I have reported these issues, and they never get fixed.

BTW, OSM and OSMAND are used by a local rural fire department for search and rescue, so having all of these trails, official and unofficial, is really important.

Yes, Mapbox has an effort to better map "Protected Areas" in the US, (they changed the title of their project after I pointed out that most of the areas they were mapping were not National Parks) see: osm.wiki/Organised_Editing_/Activities/_Mapping_Protected_Area_in_the_US_by_Mapbox So far no major damage, although they are generating a lot of overlapping ways, duplicate nodes, etc. The team is in Minsk, and I suspect it has to do with using iD over a bad internet connection. Some of the trail mapping is a little sloppy for my liking, but it is better than it was.

I think I will add a "fixme" tag to the fords. To me the presence of a a tag indicates some mapper had some evidence that the tag reflects reality, and if no evidence exists, better to leave the error for some other mapper to research and survey. But you are right, of all of the values, ford=yes, is the safest for the user as if they are unable to handle fords they will presumably avoid the route.

Mike

Hello again, It also looks like you are also created a number of duplicate ways, e.g.:
way/965676102
and
way/965654959

way/965654960
and
way/965676103

I recommend you run the JOSM validator on this area (or similar tool).

Mike

Hello,

Thanks for all of the edits, most look good, however, some of the driveways you have created are not connected to the rest of the road network, is there a reason why?

Examples:
way/965676147
way/965676146
way/965676150
way/965676154
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Sources cited do not support all of the changes made.
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Sources cited do not support all of the changes made.
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Sources cited don't support changes made. e.g. no way to determine maxspeed from "Bing Aerial Imagery." Guessing? Copying from a copyright source?
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