Are you sure? DB01A and DB01R are at node/13063226270 , and route_ref should not go into `name` anyway.

It seems like there is actually `landuse=healthcare` specifically for "clinic grounds", similar to how `landuse=education` is used when multiple distinct schools share a campus. But with only 851 uses worldwide, it is unlikely any data consumer will understand it.

So.... `=locality`? Tbh it would be nice if there's a guide on the (HK-specific) definitions of different `place=`s.

I thought we agreed on discord to not to give `amenity=clinic` and `healthcare=clinic` to clinic grounds when the node-clinic exists? Or did I misunderstand our conversation there?

Admittedly I did not focus too much on the precise geometry and simplified some as I expect a natural forest's land cover to change constantly anyway so it shouldn't matter too much. Another factor was that the whole area is sparsely wooded making it difficult to decide where the `natural=wood` ends. And different aerial imagery sources differ quite a lot too.

My original intentional was to provide basic information on the vegetation on this area (which was empty), so maybe the precision wasn't the best. Feel free to rework on this area if you want to.

Still, regardless of the definitions of `=suburb`, I still don't believe Lau Shui Hang has enough importance to be one. e.g. nearby we have node/10752374968 as `=hamlet`, no way Lau Shui Hang is as important as Lei Yue Mun, Tiu Keng Leng, or Kwun Tong (other `=suburb`).

I was mainly doubting whether it has enough significance to be a `=suburb`.

From osm wiki: "Use `place=suburb` to identify a major area in a `place=town` or `place=city` with a distinct and recognized local name and identity."

From osm.wiki/Zh-hant:Hong_Kong_tagging#%E5%9C%B0%E5%8D%80_Place : "... Section within an urban area, for example, Mong Kok, Tai Wai, etc."

I feel like node/12772775735 should be `place=hamlet` at best like node/10752374968 , and from online information it seems like the two villages are abandoned, in which case `place=locality` may be more appropriate.

Are you sure? Afaik it's only "Robert Black General Out-patient Clinic" that's renamed to "San Po Kong Robert Black Family Medicine Clinic", with no name changes to Robert Black Health Centre (which contains more than just the family medicine clinic).

Is node/12772775735 really a `=suburb`?

It makes sense for local texts like signage at site to omit location prefixes/suffixes as it can be implied from context (e.g. in Hong Kong "CU" can be taken to mean "CUHK"), so it's not completely indicative of its actual name.

The government websites include "Yau Ma Tei" https://www.info.gov.hk/tb_chest/tb-chi/contents/c614_1July2007.htm https://www.dh.gov.hk/english/tele/tele_chc/tele_chc_shcf.html https://www.dh.gov.hk/english/tele/tele_chc/tele_chc_shcm.html

Re node/13307948976 node/13307948977 node/13307948978 , is that actually their name? E.g. no "Yau Ma Tei" in front?

Are you sure? There's already `trail_visibility=no`.

"That's the standard" doesn't justify anything.

Hypothetically if the arc between the concerned segments doesn't exist, then the concerned segments are obviously part of the ending road and will get the same classification. Adding back that arc only increases the concerned segment's importance by making it facilitate more traffic, and it doesn't make sense increasing its importance will demote it. Just because the roads are aligned in a circle doesn't mean they all have the same importance.

2. Why? Traffic to/from the ending road must use the part of the arc immediately before/after, so in terms of functionality they are an extension of the ending road.

Hi there, do you know if this changeset resolves note/4015896 and note/4015897 ?

Why should the name contain "(興建中) (under construction)" when there's already `landuse=construction`?

If you think Kam Ho Road between Tung Wui Road and Pat Heung Road deserves `highway=secondary`, then definitely so does Tung Wui Road.

That person seems to be a protecthknames-sockpuppet. I think it should be fine to change his edits to `old_name` for now.

Hi there, what is node/4847959953 and why is it in the middle of the road? Or is it simply an editing mistake?

> See "Big Three of Shatin" (Tai Wai, Sha Tin and Fo Tan) all only has `highway=tertiary` to connect to them.

Which roads specifically are you talking about?

> CPR (Ko Po - Ngau Tam Mei) tends to use Yuen Long Station instead. (See KMB 76K, and the many minibus routes.)

I think public transport go to Yuen Long only because it's a major town whereas KSR station is basically in the middle of nowhere. As for private cars, Yuen Long does not have park and ride facilities, does it? And even if it does, it would probably still be less attractive due to the congestion in Yuen Long and the higher parking fees from a busier location.

And even if CPR does indeed prefer Yuen Long, Kam Tin and Pat Heung still have enough population to justify a `=secondary`. Pat Heung Road doesn't serve CPR nor Kam TIn (due to the Kam Tin ramp on Route 3), but it's still `=secondary`.

> Northern Link (construction is starting) is reducing importance of KSR station in terms of actual passenger in-out count via KSR station; would go in/out at Northern Link stations instead.

I don't understand this sentence at all. How does Northern Link (transfer passengers) affect in-out count? The only station whose in-out count might be affected would probably be Yuen Long due to the B1, 64K, etc. Or are you saying that fewer people would drive from CPR to KSR because they could have taken the train instead? But didn't you just say that CPR is going to Yuen Long?

> afaik in rural context, `highway=secondary` must have some sort of cross-district capability (e.g. Kam Tin Road, etc.). I don't see Kam Ho Road has this.

Given the PTI and park & ride at KSR, it's pretty clear that cross-modal transfer is encouraged and/or popular. Then, the West Rail can simply be seen as an alternative to Route 3, being cross-district. When Tung Wui Road and Kam Ho Road are the only ways to access KSR Station, they can be seen as an extension of the West Rail, which is cross-district, making Tung Wui Road and Kam Ho Roads themselves cross-district. This is practically quite similar to the "no change in highway classification without junction" rule: when you consider the rather remote location of KSR station, most people (except perhaps the residents of the new developments) using it are probably continuing their journey (using Tung Wui or Kam Ho roads) anyway, so the cross-districtness of the West Rail can be inherited to the roads.