Danke Richard,

ich habe bicycle=yes und foot=yes mal entfernt, damit access=no für alle gilt.

Gruß
Toni

Servus,

ist der Weg weiter hin für bicycle und foot offen?

access =no wird durch bicycle=yes und foot=yes wieder geschwächt.

Wenn's nur für motor_vehicle gesperrt ist, ist access=no nicht optimal.

Gruß
Toni

Well, I guess, noexit=yes on a node of a landuse=forest is an unintended mistake.

Hi EarlyBird,

willkommen bei OSM.

Der "Bayern Atlas" ist als Quelle leider nicht erlaubt, insbesondere Hausnummern nicht. Wir sind deswegen schon angemahnt worden.

Nach derzeitigem Stand dürfen wir ausschließlich die "Bayern DOP 80 cm" als Hintergrundbild in iD, JOSM, ... verwenden.

VG
Toni

Thanks.

Yes, I think your mapping scheme is somehow PTv2 compatible. PTNA accepts this kind of mapping when option "--ptv1-compatibility=no|allow|show" is set positively.
However: you tag highway=bus_stop besides the road with 'role'='stop' in the relations. I'd say 'role'='platform' is more appropriate in that case to be fully compatible with PTv2's backward compatibility.

But that's of course your choice. If you would tag such a relation with 'public_transport:version'='2', PTNA would complain about the role.

> "If possible" is a very vague basis for definition though.

Yes, I agree. I'd say that if the stop_position on the road exists it should be included into a relation accordingly. But there is no need to create a stop_position if it does not exist yet.

Thanks, was my typo caused by autocompletion 'na' and TAB should have resulted in 'name' not 'natural'

Hi,

da gibt es noch eine Bus Route, die Einbahnstraßen in der falschen Richtung nutzt

See https://ptna.openstreetmap.de/results/DE/NW/DE-NW-WT-Analysis.html#bus_T37

Gruß
Toni

Hi,

is this bridge still under construction?
Do you know any opening data?

Regards
Toni

Servus,

ist die Massener Heide hier für Busse erlaubt?

Sollte evtl. access=no durch motor_vehicle=destination + psv=yes ersetzt werden?

Siehe https://ptna.openstreetmap.de/results/DE/NW/DE-NW-WT-Analysis.html#bus_147-2

Gruß
Toni

Servus,

durch diesen Edit sind in *sehr viele* Routen Lücken gerissen worden - mag wohl an iD-SW liegen.

U.A. aber nicht nur hier https://ptna.openstreetmap.de/results/DE/DE-Bahnverkehr-Analysis.html#train_RE_42

Gruß
Toni

I saw your area being mentioned here

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/public-transport-version-2/97588

Thanks.

I've checked only one route and think that this was actually a PTv2 route with backward compatibility (hw=bus_stop) to older mapping schemes - except that member ways were sorted before member stops (for this particular route relation - an exception itself to your mapping style?). stop_positions and platforms in PTv2 are optional, so your scheme matches with PTv2.

The first row in the table of
osm.wiki/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Public_Transport&oldid=625726#Compatibility_with_well_known_tags
Regards
Toni

Hi Johan,

just for curiosity: what's the special thing about public_transport:version=3 in that area? Never heard about this version.

I'm the author of PTNA, a tool for PTv2 (and PTv1) analysis.

Regards
Toni

https://ptna.openstreetmap.de/

The major difference is

- railway=car_shuttle for transfer point

- railway=stop or railway=halt for all normal traffic

Hi Steffen

hmm, nachdem wir sogar Kasernen und Militärgelände mit access=private (und nicht =no) taggen wäre das hier auch passender: Zutritt nur mit ausdrücklicher Genehmigung des Besitzers. Oder sogar access=permit (=Eintrittskarte).

VG
Toni

node/4592378548 represents the stop position of trains for public transport relations mapped according to the so called PTv2 (public transport version 2 = osm.wiki/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Public_Transport&oldid=625726 )

The node is part of a stop_area and a route relation of the RE6, both with role 'stop'.

node/4278583112 is, from the PTv2 perspective the same, a stop position for trains

according to osm.wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Car_shuttle it shouldn't be mapped as railway=halt but rather as railway=car_shuttle a transfer point

But many mappers are not familiar with the details of railway= mapping - me included.

way/172675299/history

Servus Steffen,

willkomme bei OSM.

Ich würde hier statt access=no eher access=customers nehmen. Zu den Öffnungszeiten hat man freien Zugang, oder? Bin selber mal dort gewesen und habe Version 1 und 2 des Weges "Bauzentrum" angelegt.

VG
Toni

> Hm, seems like I realized why there was a dedicated route=shuttle_train way.

Yeah, another reason - but still not valid reason.

I've discussed this topic with the maintainer of osm2po and I've come to the conclusion that valid transfer points from highway=* to railway=rail should be - and are - defined explicitly:

- for motor_vehicles, ...: osm.wiki/OpenRailwayMap/Tagging#Car_shuttle also tagged as public_transport=stop_position

- for bicycles and others : public_transport=stop_position on the rail, public_transport=platform next to it for the bicycles

So to have a positive (and not a never exhaustive negative) list of transfer points