I dont think this is the way you intended to edit!

Hi,

I'm trying to understand what the climbing:grade;uiaa grades represent as I would have expected them to be in latin rather than arabic numerals.

Can you explain at all?

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Keith,

I added the main path into Cwm Glas Mawr in 2010 (changeset/5850064#) when I used highway=footway. At that time IIRC there was some discrepancy about usage of footway or path and different people used either tag. I fact I can see that I used both in the area over a short time of editing in 2010.

However it was found relatively quickly that, despite it's popularity, there are significant problems with highway=path. The most notable is that access rights are utterly obscure, summarised by Richard Fairhurst (author of a previous web-editor, creator of cycle.travel) here: @Richard/diary/20333. I just checked these paths with Komoot & currently it quite happily routes a touring bike up Cwm Glas and an MTB along Crib Goch! I suspect these ways need access tags.

Effectively path works but requires much more work by the mapper to capture details of access, surface etc. The footway/cycleway/bridleway requires much less basic info both for mappers & data consumers.

Unfortunately we never resolved the 2 approaches in the UK, although everyone I know who maps lots of public rights of way tends to use footway etc.. One useful source of info on access tags & so forth is the National Trust page, as this is based on both considered work and a lot of consensus from OSM mappers.

Sorry I can't give you chapter & verse, my last attempt to clarify things didn't meet with approval in some quarters.

tl;dr at a minimum add foot=yes & bicycle=no to these footpaths.

Jerry aka SK53

Please do not do this. highway=path on its own does not provide any information about who can use it or suitability If you do want to do this at a minimum add foot=yes and bicycle=no when you change from highway=footpath to highway=path.

Jez - thanks
redd - I think you can fix things which are obvious typos without needing to contact people. In this case I clearly was trying to square the building whilst focus was in the tag field (and possibly then added a couple of Josm shortcut keys as well!)

Thanks for picking it up. I add the "x" which then allows me to divide a way in iD without it creating a relation. I should of course remove the "x" now, which I did do on the other half. As the building & the panel dont coincide it needs editing anyway.

You can see it on Waymarked Trails: https://riding.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=14445709.

I've now created the Pegasus Trail relation, so that you can just add new sections to the relation. Scroll down to the relations section in the LH panel, and search for it (or use the number). It's easier to search if you add adjacent sections (the editor automatically gives a selection of nearby relations).

J

Hi,

Yes, highway=bridleway is fine in the UK. You do need to join the ends to the roads/paths it connects to, normally the editor should glue them if they are close enough. The colour of the point changes from white to a greyish colour. I've done this for you this time (changeset/124721392) as it may help to have a concrete example.

If this is a public bridleway I would also add designation=public_bridleway (you have to scroll down in the edit panel to find "All tags", add a new tag and the entries should autocomplete).

One other thing is that it is worth mapping gates, horse stiles etc. along the path if you have collected such data. There looks to be something at the S end of this stretch.

The other thing is that a long distance trail is normally mapped as a relation, but this may be much too complex for a newcomer. The ref is fine as a starting point, but as you add more links it will be necessary to learn about relations.

Best wishes,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi,

I've now added the Lidl building, so the position of cycle infra you added may need tweaking.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

The flush bracket is on the metal plaque low down on the pillar, so the elevation is not of the top of the pillar. Most elevations on maps in the past 30 years are probably not derived from the triangulation done using trig points anyway, so the issue is fairly moot.

A general rule of thumb is that if a thing has been mapped in a particular way for a long time then that is the consensus across a body of mappers. This is particularly true for somewhere like Whernside or Roseberry Topping where it is likely a *lot* of mappers have visited. It's usually best to respect that consensus even if one differs in opinion.

Jerry aka SK53

When the trigpoint is located at the summit they are the logically the same object. The spot height on the OS maps will be that of the flush bracket on the pillar, rather at ground level.

OSM keys were deliberately designed to allow for objects which are simultaneously two things at once (pubs with accommodation, convenience store with a post office, etc., memorial trees). Over time some get separated (often when something mapped as a node gets remapped as an area), but this is a feature not a bug. IIRC Snowdon's summit point is a trig point and an orientation table (tourism=viewpoint). One consequence of this is that one should never rely overmuch on the usual meaning of a word in English (I'm always a bit frustrated about tourism=hotel, because about 80% of my hotel stays have been work-related).

I guess you made the Whernside alteration too, but offset the trig point from it's actual location, rather than ensuring it was co-located with the peak tag.

I appreciate that the iD editor may emphasise one over the other, but that should be addressed on the iD github page, not by changing the data.

It's not just the UK where physical trig stations coincide with summits: I can think of several in Switzerland.

You are confusing the administrative division of Barnstable with the place within it. There are already admin relations for the "Town of Barnstable" with city type goverment (relation/2387624) and the actual Barnstable which is on Highway 6A (relation/9529611).

Far better to use the Hyannis node as admin_centre in the relation than move the node which refers to an actual place rather than an administrative entity.

I have never referred to the location you wish Barnstable to located as anything other than Hyannis. Just checked a receipt "990 Iyannough Road *Hyannis* MA 02601", same thing.

Moving Barnstable node will break lots of applications relying on geocoding.

I have reverted this changeset as it is entirely incorrect. The locations & status of Barnstable & Hyannis have remained stable on OSM since around 2007: I'd be really surprised if you know better than everyone who has used it, or edited in the area over the past 15 years.

Reversion changeset: node/158843349.

I wouldn't call the pillars around Lincoln Cathedral chapter house building=pylon, these are flying buttresses, and I think should be called such. Nor are they buildings, they are building:part belonging to the chapter house.

Toilet block, Shower block, Washroom block are pretty standard descriptions for distinct buildings for these purposes (e.g., in campsites, schools, military barracks etc) and I think other forms will always have "block" as part of the name. I must have tagged it this way because that is how I would give people navigation instructions in this village), but I don't see any great difference from building=toilets.

Perhaps add a description to the effect "Toilet Block".

Jerry

Hi lyctkel,

Bungalow is nothing close: a bungalow in UK parlance is typically a single storey detached or semi-detached house, with a variant with rooms in the roof space known as chalet bungalows. They are not any form of temporary accommodation. However not all levels=1 buildings are bungalows. Some towns in the UK are predominantly bungalows (e.g., Southend-on-Sea) and in rural Scotland & Ireland many/most buildings will be bungalows.

Wikipedia has an entry for portable classroom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_classroom), which may be provide the basis for a more explicit tag. The other phrase used a lot is "modular building".

Note that these are quite common on UK school sites, as were formerly various prefabricated buildings (most early post-WWII and now mainly gone). I have, however, mapped one which is still in use as a chapel in the grounds of Nottingham City Hospital (way/208973414).

There are quite good resources on post-WWII pre-fabricated houses (and I've tagged a few types around Nottingham), but it's hard to find anything about equivalent prefabs for institutions (schools, universities & hospitals), and later ones such as these. I spent 2.5 years at school in such buildings & had lessons in others right through my school life. University had another couple of groups & I consulted with one hospital which had lots (even in the early '90s). Nowadays post-WW2 prefabs (residential & industrial) are largely heritage objects (https://www.prefabmuseum.uk/) and some are listed buildings, so definitely worth having suitable tags.

Jerry

Hi,

I've updated the tags on the "gasometer". Really helpful to know it was gas pipeline. Should show up on OpenInfraMap if I've got them right.

If by chance you see pipeline markers along roadsides & fields they can be mapped too (this seems currently favoured tag marker=*). They are useful for working out where pipelines run.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi,

Yes, I think that would be fine, although it may lose a bit of nuance (hostels in UK English may be for other purposes than tourism: students, nurses, workers etc). I wanted to capture that this was purpose built by the YHA and consequently rather unusual.

Jerry

Hi,

I've done some updates on Maes Famau (Llanbedr Dyffryn Clwyd), still needs a bit of tidying. What is odd is that the latest Bing imagery doesn't appear in iD.

Cheers,

Jerry aka SK53