Hi & welcome to OSM,

You deleted an area of construction near Market Harborough as well as adding buildings in Senegal. I just wondered if the former action was inadvertent. If it was I'll put it back.

Yours,

Jerry aka SK53

Probably a sensible thing is to check actual UK usage of a tag (e.g., heathcare: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/healthcare). The basic problem with healthcare is that it never gained traction (similarly with education) and has never really been tested in real-life (e.g., by a ward-by-ward mapping of a large hospital). I see no harm in adding the tags *providing* you are editing it for other reasons (something I'll do with brand:wiki* tags).

The overall problem with doing updates to POIs when mapping remotely is that it can give other mappers a false perspective that an area has recently been checked by someone. This is particularly true if one is in the field with Vespucci as it highlights POIs un-touched for a certain time (typically a year). It's probably not so critical in Nottingham because when re-surveying I usually like to check each POI, but I certainly pay *more* attention to those outline in pink.

It is also true that an obviously out-of-date area conveys information to someone using OSM data (e.g., a Lloyds-TSB is probably a good sign not to trust information on local pubs). This is why the current "Ghosts" listing encourages people to go & visit places because it is likely that far more things need updating.

Jerry

Please try & keep changes made with maproulette to what is in the description, or expand the changeset comment so that it is explanatory (e.g, adding brand tags using iD presets). It's difficult to assess exactly what you've changed with such a sparse and inaccurate comment.

Additionally you have changed leisure=youth_club to club=yes which removes information. Please do not follow iD's preset suggestions without thought, particularly in an area with active mappers who may well disagree with decisions taken by the authors of iD (who have recently removed some of their more controversial validations: https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/2267)

Additionally mass updates like this make it rather harder to find real changes when doing ground surveys. I use Vespucci which highlights objects not edited for a while. This type of edit means that it looks as though someone has recently checked things, when in fact it's a someone not in the area. For instance you edited HSBC, but actually the name changed to HSBC UK months ago, and I may have missed this if I had not been explicitly looking for it.

By all means do some other changes, but preferably in separate changesets from the Maproulette challenge. This is particularly useful in cases where local mapping convention might be at odds with what iD sees as the convention. (None particularly in this case, most changes genuinely seem to be from less-well used to more widely used tags: artwork to artwork_type, barrier=entrance to entrance=yes etc, but there are certainly others).

I'd also avoid adding healthcare tags on doctors & dentists etc. These are not widely used by consuming apps & add noise to local changes).

Jerry

Incidentally whatpub says it's closed, but was obviously open n Tuesday

Is the Harley really a hotel, looked a bit dive like to me from outside. At best I'd think of it as a pub with rooms. I'm not sure having 2 nodes is right in this case. (PS. I know it's not your original mapping, but it looks as if you checked it recently)

Can we close this note, and start new ones for other things? It bears little resemblance to my original comment. Thanks, Jerry

I presume Robin Hood Otors should be Robin Hood Motors (pointed out on IRC)

I generally do that if the place is obviously retail premises. I didn't do that for the Nottingham one because it's located in an old town house, so what it becomes next I don't know. Paul Smith next door doesn't really look like a shop from outside (not much changed from this photo: https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1911469).

Hi Jez,

I think you've still got the restaurant tag active for Jamie's Italian. old_name=Jamie's Italian currently corresponds well with active mapping communities: Nottingham, York, Bristol, Edinburgh, Glasgow & Brighton :-).

Jerry

Does the Alpha House Dental Clinic really exist on Alpha Road in Cambridge?

Hi Max,

Not sure I'd class West Covina Medical Center (https://www.westcovinafamilymedical.com/specialities/) as a hospital. Looks pretty much like a standard doctors practice, although I'm not sure what "Urgent Care" means in US terms.

Cheers,

Jerry

PS. LA County Open Data looks to have some good resources (e.g., restaurant inspections).

Hi & welcome to OpenStreetMap,

Just a note to say I don't think this edit ended up as you intended. For some reason it's ended up over an epispocal church in Nottingham, England.

I see you've added it in the right place now (node/6481743770), so I'll remove this edit. (I may also enhance your other edit so the church building stands out as in this location in Nottingham).

Best wishes,

Jerry aka SK53

Hi Jothirnadh,

Thanks for getting back to me, and in particular as a supervisor.

I owe you & your team member (rkmreo) an apology as it was not them who mapped the areas covered by the added roads as buildings (it was another mapper concerned with having geolocated names: a local taxi provider), but the addition of roads through buildings completely threw me, and would in any case be wrong. I suspect this is an exceptional edge case for your methodology & therefore nothing to worry about. This particular case (roads passing through buildings) would get flagged on various QA tools (e.g., OsmCha), and should be flagged in the ID editor itself. I don't know how frequently your team encounters such issues, so I don't know if it is appropriate for inclusion in training. It may be as more remote teams are adding missing data that such cases may become more common.

As I happened to visit this location a few months ago & had some photographs available so I took the opportunity to enhance the mapping of the village, and incidentally, add another missing road (Tower Farm opposite).

It's not entirely true that road names are not available for this kind of thing, but the sources available are probably too complex for the type of workflow you use. I used various sources of open data, my own photographs & Mapillary images to adjust the names and transfer names to the roads. I believe Microsoft have a listing of missing road names, but I dont have a link for it immediately to hand.

Many of these small roads such as those here may not be public roads and therefore do not show up in many sources.

In the end these additions by your team led me to further improve OSM here, and remove the old unconventional mapping.

So once again my apologies.

Regards,

Jerry

Hi, We noticed that you added these new roads which is very welcome, but you did it in a highly unconventional way which suggests that something may have been missed in the training you received. Please always add road names on the actual way tagged with highway. Do not add them to a large inaccurately mapped building. If you need to add a building for address purposes either add it as a way using the appropriate address tags and building=yes or as a node with just the address. There are countless examples of good practice all over the world.

In these edits: Manor Court & Manor Farm names need to be moved to the roads. Manor Field should be tagged using addr:housename not name & the building should actually correspond to the building visible on aerial imagery.

Regards,

SK53

Why are you adding a peak tag to objects which are not peaks. You provide two links which show that this is a historic signal station and not a peak. We have noticed a large number of erroneous edits of this type by you and others. Please could you tell us what your objectives might be?

Hi Nick,

Welcome to OSM.

Really pleased you spotted this as I didn't do it when I had a little wander just over a year ago. We (local Nottingham mappers) don't tend to get up to this neck of the woods that often.

Cheers,

Jerry (aka SK53)

In general I think we should use the most widely used local name, i.e., Y Gelli and perhaps use official_name:cy or alt_name:cy for formal names which don't have widespread usage. (At least we can avoid what the French OSMers have done in Breton-speaking areas and insist on the official French name for communes & hamlets which are signed locally in Breton).

You are joining ways together which should not be joined as they are parts of relations. This damages other peoples work, can you please be more careful.

Can I also ask you to use a meaningful comment for your changesets: "local details" is not satisfactory.

But it is not a public road so highway=unclassified is wrong. Personally I'd trust dudone to know if something is a driveway or not, and I would also agree with him - it is not unusual for farms to share a driveway in this way (or for houses too).

Good catch I was in process of removing the beach as an MP, but obviously forgot a bit